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If you really want to catch a glimpse of the culture of a school

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This may be in the category of pop science but we believe there could be some truth to it.

We blahgged recently about trends in the bschool landscape focusing on specific new faces in the deans’ offices at certain top schools.

As we did the research on that post, looking at the “About the Dean” pages on many school websites, we were struck by the differences — and couldn’t help but be reminded of some studies that are related. Here’s some contradictions for you:

(It’s likely not going unnoticed that both of those studies came out well in advance of the 2016 U.S. Presidential election.)

Anyway.

The tl;dr of those articles, especially the second one, is that indicators of narcissism, as exhibited by a large signature on a company’s annual report, or (first link) the size of the CEO’s photograph in that report or — we’re extrapolating here — on the company website — can give an indication of corporate performance. Those headlines appear to be citing contradictory results (the first study is claiming higher stock price; the second article discusses lower results compared to peers; they may or may not be measuring the same things though).

What we do know is that how a school presents its dean is a reflection of the person who holds that office at the school at least as much as it is a reflection on the school.

We also have strong experiences that anecdotally cause us to claim (without a known study or direct proof to back it up) that whoever is leading an organization is imbuing their character and values throughout the entire place.

If you have a narcissist at the top, then that creates one type of culture.

That doesn’t mean everyone there is a narcissist; in fact, it’s unlikely that you’ll have two narcissists operating in close proximity or sharing power in any meaningful way. Having a real narcissist at the top means that that person is sucking all the oxygen out of the air and it’s highly unlikely they would tolerate the antics of another narcissist in their midst. More common is that the narcissist surrounds him- or herself with astute and flexible types who know how to manipulate the narcissist in their own right — but who probably aren’t technically narcissists themselves. It’s too difficult for two of that type to co-exist peacefully.

And certainly we’re not claiming that any bschool dean is cut from the same cloth as the current so-called leader of the free world (ugh).

But it can be an interesting exercise to go wander through the pages of “About the Dean” at the schools that you’re interested in.

Here are some questions to ask (Pro Tip: If you’re really interested in this exercise, you might even want to jot down notes of your perceptions and first impressions as you navigate through each of these steps on any particular school’s site):

1. How easy is it to find this page? When you come to the first page of the school’s website, are you presented with information on the dean straightaway? A link? A picture? Or do you have to go hunting through the menus to find it?

2. When you find the menu system where the “About the Dean” page is located, how is it organized? What message do you get from the actual structure? In what way are they presenting the public with info on the dean, versus info on the school, and/or the entire leadership team as a unit?

3. When you go to the About the Dean page, what is your first impression? What is being emphasized? What do you get front-and-center when you first view the page? How are the design elements used? What is the size of the headshot — and how many photos overall do you see of that person when you browse around on the site?

4. You can do the same thing with the school’s social media, and with the dean’s professional social media if he/she has any. What do they post about? What do they want their audience to think about them? If they don’t have a visible social media presence, does that say anything meaningful? It’s likely a deliberate decision if they don’t, which on its own merits is not positive or negative, but it could be something to think about.

 
 

School websites are obviously developed through a myriad of minds; some schools use the same marketing platform and so their sites tend to look quite similar to one another, and the design choices that an individual school has within that software platform is thereby constrained. All schools have teams who produce the website, from the IT perspective down to the layout and navigation, and certainly the content that appears on each section and often each page is frequently written by different people across the functional units. So it’s not like the dean is the one who made the decisions on how the whole site is constructed or the messaging behind any individual component.

But you can bet for certain that the dean’s office is responsible for the content and presentation of all the information on the About the Dean page and probably that whole “administration” section of the site.

Clearly EssaySnark has opinions and impressions on individual schools and the respective deans running them, and we’re not going to contaminate your own possible first impressions if you decide to run this experiment for yourself. We are DEFINITELY not claiming that any school leadership is incompetent or that there is rot at the top of any of these business schools. We are by no means insiders and we’re not commenting on competence or ability. We’re just talking about how the schools are presenting themselves, and one perhaps interesting angle for you to examine as you go about your task of researching programs.

We would never suggest that a BSer not apply to a school based on who’s sitting in the dean’s office — heck, we even tell you not to be prejudiced against a school based on a bad experience with admissions.

But yeah, we have opinions.

If you’re really interested in the human side of business, then investigate for yourself what the school is about. When a school talks about culture and community, see if you can poke around under the hood and find out for yourself what that might mean. How are they walking their talk? What are their priorities? There are lots of ways to learn about the target of your interest beyond simply accepting the statements that they make at face value.

Culture

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This “school fit” thing is really a nebulous concept.

At least, at first it is. When you’re first trying to figure out what schools to apply to and everything. It can be truly overwhelming. Where do you start, and how do you understand this “fit” thing in the first place?

Often this only is revealed in its final form much later in the process.

Initially people will decide where to apply based on multiple and myriad factors. The list will change frequently. The value of “school fit” initially is it tells you where NOT to apply.

How it works is this:

You come up with your list of schools, based either on where other people you know have gone, or maybe just only on rankings. Or geography. You decide you don’t want to go to school where it snows. Or that you want a place with an outdoors culture.

And then you go visit. (Hint: Now would be a grand time to do that!!)

Or if you can’t visit — and even if you can — you start talking to people. You connect with the school. You attend their webinars and go to a local info session when one is in town. You hook up with some students in a coffee chat and learn about their experiences.

Through these points of contact, you start to form impressions. Those opinions will guide you. You will discover what school has people you resonate with.

This is what is meant by “school fit” — at least, it’s one key dimension of it (and, to EssaySnark, really it’s the only one that matters).

The other aspect of “school fit” is a more clinical one, namely: Are you a fit to what type of student they typically accept? It’s coming from the direction of the school, and how you present yourself to them. That’s a whole different topic which we should probably discuss in full another time — or, just read all of the posts on this blahg about planning your strategy and writing your essays, and pick up the school strategy guide for the school that you’re targeting. We cover this stuff 24/7 here.

The final arbiter of “school fit” often does not manifest until very late in the process. That’s when you’re faced with decisions on which offer to accept. If you’ve done your homework and played your cards right and applied to the right set of schools in Round 1, then almost guaranteed you will be faced with the difficult decision of choosing between multiple options.

Sometimes that choice is a tormented one. BSers often agonize in the end, over which one to select, when there are multiple choices on the table.

But sometimes, the choice becomes obvious even before it has to be made (or sometimes it’s made for you).

An example from Round 1 last Fall is a BSer who was invited to interview at three top schools. But then as decisions started getting released, one of those was a “no.”

Here’s what we said to this person in response:

OH NO! How disappointing about [School X]!!!!!!!!!!

(But you wanna know a secret? We see you as more of a [School Y] or a [School Z] person anyway!!! When it comes down to values and all that!!)

Still, really bummed to hear that [School X] said no in the end. 🙁

It’s incredibly happy news to know that [School Y] accepted you, and let’s see what [School Z] does next and maybe you’ll have a difficult decision to make in the coming weeks!!!

Fingers crossed for this last one!

And, here’s what that BSer said back in response:

Thank you!! To be honest, I felt the same way, and have shared with a few close friends that I felt like it might be really hard to pick [School Y] or [School Z] over [School X] if I got into [School X], so getting that off the table almost feels like a relief (though of course I am disappointed). [School Y] and [School Z] were absolutely my favorites! I cried when [School Y] called me – she said very nice things about connecting with my essays and what a great fit I’d be for them. And hey – NO MORE ESSAYS or APPLICATIONS! Let’s see what [School Z] says!

BTW, this person did get into School Z as well.

So the moral of this story is:

Do your research — starting NOW.

Expect your list to evolve.

You’ll be making many decisions along the way, but you won’t likely know that how you’ll feel about any school until you get further into the process of applying, and learning about them, and experiencing those choices firsthand.

There is no One Size Fits All answer to the question of school fit. It’s totally personal and individual. But it’s just like falling in love: You know it when it happens to you.

Your Reading List: Some books about Wall St., and about the MBA

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Since the admissions season hasn’t really started (even though it has) we’re going to throw out some useful and productive ways for you to keep yourself busy and your head in the game for this whole MBA shindig you say you’re interested in.

We’re gonna give you a reading list.

Today we’re offering a random assortment of books that we find interesting and relevant for one reason or another for Brave Supplicants and others who profess to be interested in business.

‘Cuz after all, getting an MBA is about studying business, right?

These are in no particular order, but the first has – lucky you – been made into a movie. We mentioned it here a few months ago and maybe you’ve seen it.

The Big ShortIt’s called The Big Short and the movie we talked about is certainly worthwhile, but the book is, too. It’s about the economic crisis of 2007-2008 and it explains in lay terms how everything fell apart and which parties’ bad behavior compounded to create the threatened downfall of the entire economic system. It’s by Michael Lewis (Moneyball , Liar’s Poker , The Blind Side, and other incredible stories) and the movie was directed by Adam McKay (Anchorman, Talladega Nights, and other brilliant pieces of art).

Michael Lewis has this gift of educating you without you noticing it. The guy is amazing. Highly recommend all of his work.

If you’re interested in business then you need to understand how the economic forces (and incentives) contributed to the problems that we all lived through.

Flash BoysOne that has not yet fully played out is (no coincidence) another Michael Lewis contribution: Flash Boys goes into the technology behind high-frequency trading and its implications for all of us, that most people are totally unaware of. We were reminded of this just recently when seeing Steve Wyman’s comments from Wynn Casino’s Q1 earnings call where he complained about the “unconscionable manipulation” of the stock market and he referenced this book. If you want to go deeper into that world, then this blog will lead you to all sorts of places.


Again, if you’re interested in business, you need to be aware of how these things work and the changes that are going on in the world of finance.

Young Money

Another book that relates to Wall Street but this time from the perspective of the young analysts that work there is Young Money by Kevin Roose. This book came out at exactly the same time as Flash Boys (unfortunate timing, actually, as Flash Boys eclipsed it a bit, in our opinion) and we’ve mentioned it here on the blahg before mostly because it’s so darn relevant to so many of you. This one is about culture. The author followed a crop of new college grads from Princeton to the major New York banks and told their stories; it’s a bit biased (anti-bank) but it’s still very much worth reading.

All of the books we’ve named above are relevant to you even if you don’t think you care about finance.
 

 
Now, on the MBA specifically, we’ll toss out a mention of two books coming from opposite ends of the argument:

  1. You Should Totally Get an MBA

    The recently released You Should Totally Get an MBA by Tuck grad Paul Ollinger

  2. The MBA Bubble

    And on the flip side: The MBA Bubble: Why Getting an MBA is a Bad Idea by Mariana Zanetti



In case it’s not clear, that’s meant as point and counterpoint.

We have not read that second book. Obviously EssaySnark’s position is that the MBA is indeed worth it, but if we understand Zanetti’s argument, it’s essentially that there are too many people out there with MBAs and the degree does not hold its value. We’re not going to condemn the logic of that (except to say, wouldn’t that also hold true of the bachelor’s degree then??) since like we said, we haven’t read it – but we don’t think it’s all that relevant to our audience here on the blahg. Most of you do, in fact, want to go get an MBA, for whatever reasons you hold. There might be value to you in reading that book as a way to evaluate and possibly question your motivations, to cross-check your assumptions before plunking down all this time and money and effort to trying to get into bschool, so we’re tossing it out there as a resource to consider (again, untested; we have not read it – but hey, what’s with that cover image, is the author saying that anyone holding an MBA is an airhead?!??).

The other book we’re mentioning because, well, the guy who wrote it is pretty funny. He’s, like, a comedian, and his Twitter is worth a follow . (Oh hey while we’re at it: Are you following EssaySnark on Twitter too?)

So is the “Totally!” book worthwhile for you?

We hafta say…. Prolly not. 🙁

Not if you’ve already made your way to this blahg, it’s not.

Why not?

Because it’s too high level and basic. He does stuff like tell you about GMATClub as if you’ve never heard of it. Yeah, that. If you’ve managed to find EssaySnark, then we’re assuming you’re a little bit further along on the learning curve for the MBA application process than that.

This book would be AWESOME to kick down to a little brother in college who’s thinking about his options and what to do with his life. Or to that second cousin twice removed who hits you up on Facebook because his mom told him to ask you if you’d help him get into grad school.

We have to throw Ollinger some major points though. We’re definitely kindred souls. Like in chapter 3 where he corrects you before you blunder:

    [Y]ou are seeking admission to “business school,” not to “MBA school.”
Just typing those words here is painful.
Saying “MBA school” is like saying “diploma school.” Doctors don’t go to “MD school.” Lawyers don’t go to “JD school.” So badass future holders of the MBA don’t go to “MBA school.” They go to business school.

As you can see, we feel the same:

(We assume that we both came up with those examples independently.)

The actual how to get in advice? Pretty darned lightweight. This person is not an admissions consultant. He has not been in the trenches with applicants. He doesn’t claim to be offering admissions advice per se, so perhaps we should not fault him for that – but we figure, if you’re going to be spending your hard-earned money on a “I wanna MBA!!” book then it probably should have a bit more hardcore value in helping you get in. Like we said, the guy is entertaining (at least on Twitter – didn’t actually LOL in reading the book but we did crack a smile in places) however the actual info quotient in this one is probably not worth the $$ for most of you BSers. Of course, it might make a very a good Christmas present for someone you know who’s in the earlier stages of the process!
 

 
Finally, and also in the category of maybe not worth it for most of you, but one that hit our radar based on, again, the subject of working on Wall Street:

Opening Belle Opening Belle would probably be what they call “chick lit” – it’s a novel about a female MD (Managing Director) at a finance firm when the economic crisis began. The author, Maureen Sherry, is a Columbia MBA and was an MD at Bear Sterns, so she’s writing from a place of experience, though the story is fiction.


It’s a bit heavyhanded on the sexism angle so this won’t appeal to everyone, but she does a decent job of explaining some of those market forces that Michael Lewis goes into in greater depth. If you want a beach read this summer (and probably more so if you’re female) then perhaps it’s worth picking up.
 

 
So there you have it, a list of books you (might) want to check out. If you’re planning on applying to bschool this year then getting in a habit of work during your spare time is a very good practice indeed. Picking up a business-y (or MBA-ish) book or two and making a point of reading through them quickly can help you exercise those outside-of-work productivity muscles.

Soon enough you will be up to your ears in essays. Dipping a toe into this world, particularly if it’s all new to you, is a good way to get started.

Disclosures: Affiliate links to Amazon in this post mean that if you click through and buy then EssaySnark gets a few pennies for sending you there; also, Ollinger sent us a free promo copy of his MBA book (thanks dude!!) though he never asked for a review and all opinions expressed here are clearly the ‘Snark’s alone.

($) How to ask a school how they’re differentiated

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We spoke recently about a few schools that are currently on EssaySnark’s radar in a positive way. If you were paying attention, what we did there was the same stuff that you should be doing as you start to tackle your research project on which schools to apply to and why. Along those lines, a…

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A comment for certain non-American young ladies out there.

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We know (hope!) that the way many of you interact with EssaySnark is different than how you’d interact with the schools. Or at least, it’s different than how you’d talk with the admissions people at the schools. Snarkville tends to be a little loose and casual, and that’s fine, we hope it stays that way. Contrast that to when you write an email to inquire about something as important as YOUR FUTURE, then you’re going to use formal sentence structure and professional language, and spend more than two seconds composing your thoughts before hitting the ‘send’ button.

We actually wrote a post about the proper way to send an email to MBA admissions before.

When we work with Brave Supplicants we establish a rapport and it often is friendly and light – and we like it that way.

But there’s one habit that we’ve seen with a certain category of BSer that always makes us pause.

It seems that in some cultures, young women (we’ve never seen men do it) are accustomed to addressing each other as “dear.”

Not as in, “Dear EssaySnark, I want to get some help from you…”

But more like, “Thanks for your help, dear.”

This is not how Americans address each other. At least, not young Americans. Not to be totally stereotypical or anything, but it’s the 50-year-old lady working in a department store who says “dear” to the 13-year-old girl she’s helping at the cosmetics counter. People in the States don’t say “dear” – unless it’s either condescending, or they’re of a totally different generation than you and us. (Despite recent rumors to the contrary, EssaySnark is not a 50-year-old lady.)

The first time we saw this “dear” thing directed at us in a comment from a Brave Supplicant it literally made us gag. We were like, “Wha’?? Who are they talking to?” We thought the person who said it was getting really oddly strangely friendly with us, or they were putting on airs. (Meaning, getting haughty. “Putting on airs” is something that someone who says “dear” might say.)

Over time, we’ve seen it crop up again and again, from more than one person, and we’ve also seen it on the comments on other blogs and websites (not only admissions-related ones).

So we’ve come to the conclusion that it’s a cultural thing, and not just some random over-friendly BSer phenomenon.

This post is a caution to any of you young women out there who use the term “dear” in casual conversation. If you’re speaking to an American – unless you’re already close to that person – we suggest that you don’t. Especially not in an email conversation.

It’s just, uh, weird.

We have a bunch of other tips and advice for internationals who are interested in coming to the U.S. for school or work. There’s other important cultural standards that you need to be familiar with. Like, not standing too close to people (Americans like their personal space.) And that you need to wear deodorant (please).

Every communication you have with the school, whether it’s in an email inquiry to the admissions office, a one-on-one conversation with an adcom person at an MBA fair, or with a student or alum who’s answering your questions about their program – all of it matters. Not all Americans are hip to the cultural conventions of other cultures. If you do something out of the norm to this culture, you may stand out – for all the wrong reasons.

Columbia and NYU: A comparison

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We almost said “versus” but that would be silly; it’s not like the schools are duking it out, Battle of the Bands style. Neither one is insecure enough to really even care much about what their local peer school is doing.

(Though we do have it on firsthand knowledge that the Stern folks were irked by the “at the heart of Manhattan” angle that Columbia was pushing last year. Thankfully CBS adjusted that marketing spin since then.)

We decided to do this post after naming Columbia and NYU to our Top 5 Favorite Business Schools list last week. We almost talked about this Columbia/NYU topic several years ago and instead at the time, offered some what-we-thought-was-helpful advice for anyone applying to NYU and NYU alone. Yeah, there was a disgruntled BSer in the comments there but honestly, we’ve never been one for spoonfeeding answers to people. Actually it seems that several of the posts we’re linking to today had disgrunted BSers… hmmm, the ‘Snark strikes again, apparently.

Anyway our position is that there ARE differences in these schools (duh) and you DO need to do your own research to figure them out.

Today’s post was inspired by the musings around Columbia and yield in the exchange in the comments on this post in early August, and even more so by some very misinformed people who some BSers are apparently listening to and forming opinions from. Which means that the BSers are misinformed.

BSer Jamie said in the comments there that “Columbia’s reputation is “degrading” among the MBA community” – really? Huh. Had not perceived that to be the case. Bigger issue, another BSer said to us privately that they’d heard that Columbia is only a feeder school to Wall Street, and they don’t want to go to finance, thus they’re applying to NYU instead.

Bullocks.

Yes, Columbia sends a bunch of people to Wall Street every year – but so does NYU.

Columbia has been battling this image of “only finance” for decades. We’d thought that they’d been making progress, but alas, apparently not.

We were gratified to get another remark from yet another BSer who said that they are choosing Columbia because of its strength in entrepreneurship, and they even cited the very true fact that Columbia has been specializing in entrepreneurship for a long time, that it’s not just a bandwagon that they’ve recently jumped on because it’s trendy and all the schools have. Impressed by that BSer, they are doing their homework.

(BTW, these comments are from the private interactions we have with people around school selection and targets when they go through the Comprehensive Profile Review.)

You definitely need to be kicking the tires when you do your research on schools – meaning, if you can’t get to campus (which is HIGHLY recommended for both of these schools, particularly NYU) then you need to be TALKING TO PEOPLE – and not just your buddy who went to some other school. You need to be reaching out to the school communities. Current students are the best, recent alumni also good. Someone who graduated from Columbia 10+ years ago is not going to be your ideal resource, generally speaking. Even someone who went there five years ago will not have the current perspective. Columbia has changed a LOT in the past few years especially. There is a major focus on community at this place – way more than ever before. In fact, that was the key area where Columbia was deficient. They were accused of being more of a cutthroat culture, and while that term is an exaggeration for sure, it has applied at Columbia way more than it ever did at NYU.

The way these schools are alike is that they are both confident that they provide exceptional value, and neither one is paranoid about what the other is doing. As we said, these schools are not in competition with each other. We do not see NYU tossing out big bucks in scholarship offers as a way to woo someone who was also admitted to CBS. NYU does tend to be more generous in scholarship awards than Columbia has been in the past, but they don’t target those offers just to pick off someone who would otherwise head uptown.

To final answer the “What’s the difference?” question that we posed and then punted on way back when: The main difference that we perceive externally about these two schools is that Columbia is sometimes overvalued, because Columbia, and Stern is even more frequently dissed, because Not-Ivy.

People are exceptionally brand-conscious in this game, which, as you know, is our not our thing. Brand does matter, but it’s NOT THE REASON TO BE SELECTING A SCHOOL – not the first reason at least.

And this is where NYU gets overlooked by people. “It’s not Ivy League” or “It’s not the M7” (whatever THAT means) or whatever other reason that someone says they want to try for Columbia and Wharton and MIT but they never mention Stern. Happens all the time.

We’re betting that NYU actually doesn’t care too much about this. After all, given what we know of and have experienced from their culture, they don’t WANT people who are that superficial. If you don’t see the value of what they got, well…

So here’s yet another post where we sidestep the important questions of “How are they different?” and tell you to – oh no! – do your own homework.

Let the disgruntled BSers come.

PS: We do in fact go into some of these details in the respective Columbia and NYU guides – yes they cost $ – so there Akshay from 2012 – why should we give you everything for free you ungrate? yeah we waited two years to say that

The problem with being a yes-man.

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Bschools’ admissions essays are designed to solicit information about you, the candidate. They’re also strong signaling devices about the school. When a school like UC-Berkeley Haas asks you to keep in mind their four Defining Principles when you craft your answers, that gives you a clear indication of what’s important to them and what they’ll be looking for in what you write in response.

That last part is where the complication comes in. Everybody knows that getting into bschool is, to some extent a game. “What does the adcom want to hear? How should I tailor my essays to showcase that to them?” That’s totally not what the adcom wants you to do, but it’s unavoidable. If you write something that’s too off base and inappropriate for the context, well, it’s unlikely to work out in your favor.

So everybody is trying to second-guess the meaning of the adcom’s words. No problem, some degree of that can be useful. After all, you’re figuring out what it means to get into bschool – which means you’re figuring out what it means to be a leader. ‘Cuz all of them are looking for leaders.

A problem comes into the equation when the applicant tries too hard to be what they think the school wants. If a school is talking all over tarnation that they care about culture…

… well, culture is what people are going to talk about in their essays. (Even if they don’t want to.)

And there’s a pretty significant disconnect for someone who says they want to go to School X because of the culture – and then in the next breath says that they want to go to work at a bulge-bracket i-bank.

The big Wall Street firms definitely have a “culture” – but it is not one that in any small respect or remote corner of the universe even minutely resembles the culture that a school like Haas puts such a focus on.

  • Haas = small community, collaborative, individual contribution, respect
  • Wall St = soul-crushing hours, cogs in a wheel, politics and power, respect?

If you want to go to Haas for their “culture”, are you SURE you also want to go into Wall Street finance?

Certainly there’s many many companies in the world of finance who buck the trend and offer a different experience for new hires. But they’re a rarity. Maybe that will change over time. We know that Wall Street is working to change their “culture” – the big banks have slowly started to implement more humane policies like a prohibition on working straight through every weekend (you’re required to take a few hours off now – but it’s not actually enforced).

There’s also lots of schools besides Haas that are emphasizing this “culture” thing as part of their pitch. We think that some of them even believe in it. (Yeah, a little jaded, we are.) These schools all send significant chunks of their graduating classes to Wall Street. The finance track, while shrinking in popularity in recent years, is still a viable path through bschool and out into the world.

The point of this post is to offer up a reality check. If you’re thinking about transitioning into finance – but you don’t really know what it’s about, it just sounds glamorous and opportunity-rich (emphasis on the rich) – and if you’re looking at the knot of bschool essays and what you’re “supposed” to say – and if you latch onto this “culture” thing that so many schools care about…

Well, you might want to investigate the whole enchilada a tiny bit more directly.

We’re not saying that some future i-banker automatically cannot ever care about culture.

We are saying that there’s an obvious disconnect in this equation when someone says that they do as a means to get into bschool, while simultaneously professes their enthusiasm for Wall Street as their intended destiny.

If you find yourself seeking to tell the adcom what they want to hear, rather than focusing on exploring genuine answers to the questions that they’re asking, then we’re suggesting you may want to do a little more self-exploration along the way in this process. Make sure you know what you’re getting into, oh starry-eyed BSer.

Just for the record: We see plenty of people getting into schools like Haas and Ross and other schools whose names don’t rhyme, by talking about the “culture” and also pitching a finance industry goal. We’re just inviting you to investigate your own priorities and understand what this whole kit and kaboodle you’re mapping out for yourself is really truly going to be like. Like, living it.

Schools that walk the talk

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We’ve been following some of the changes coming slowly out of Michigan Ross over the past year or so, with their new emphasis on what they’re calling “positive business.” Ross has long had a focus on “doing well by doing good” and they are a leader in the areas of sustainability and corporate social responsibility (CSR). They have a research institute called the Center for Positive Organizations and they are hosting the first Positive Business Conference this month. Ross’ Net Impact club is also a Gold Chapter most years, which indicates the motivation and student involvement on campus. Ross appears at the #5 spot on Net Impact’s 2014 lists of top programs for both sustainability and for social impact.

This is cool stuff that we can get behind. If you’re interested in a career in social venture – or if you just want to go to a bschool where there’s a vibe and a focus around giving back and all that – then Ross is one to look at.

A lesser-known school also crossed our radar recently with a program we’d not heard of before: The MBA students at Boston College are required, as part of their curriculum and education, to complete 20 hours of community service before graduation. You can read about the policy here.

Now that seems pretty cool.

Lots of MBA applicants like to tout their community service initiatives in their applications, and even more of them make big promises to the adcom about how they’ll get involved in the campus community. We doubt that anybody ever follows up on any of that, to see if admitted students are good on their word and actually go do those things. We’re certain that lots of people’s good intentions fall by the wayside in the hustle and bustle of grad student life.

This BC initiative is kinda cool in that regard. Talk about forcing you to put your money where your mouth is! We like it. Kudos, BC. You have our respect on this one. Wouldn’t mind seeing other schools adopt this into their programs.

Culture: Columbia, NYC, and Wall Street

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We got a question from a Brave Supplicant recently asking about Columbia and cut-throat culture and, in fine Snark style, we wrote a lengthy blahg post without ever actually answering the BSer’s question.

We got hung up on the first part where we thought he was saying that we are saying that we don’t like Columbia. Which isn’t true.

We need to talk more about the real question that was asked, though. Specifically, about Columbia and cut-throat competition. (You can read the BSer’s question and our non-answer answer here.)

First off, like the BSer’s friend, we honestly don’t think that Columbia has a “cut-throat culture.”

BUT.

We have a very big disclaimer to offer.

Columbia is, by and large, a finance school. They have worked mightily hard over many years to broaden their scope and they definitely accept a gazillion people who are not interested in finance. But due to their proximity and their specialization and their association with New York, it’s a finance school. We’re betting it will always be a finance school.

After all, with the pedigree and heritage and positivity earned through success stories like Warren Buffett and Henry Kravitz and plenty of others, why would Columbia want to be anything but a finance school?

They’re also strong in media, and entrepreneurship, and real estate, but if you want to go into finance, then Columbia is going to be at or near the top of a very short list of schools you’ll be targeting.

This means that Columbia does, in fact, have a bit of a “finance” culture.

And as we know, Wall Street is not necessarily a happy-go-lucky place.

Unless you define “happy-go-lucky” in Wolf of Wall Street terms.

Do we think that the culture of Columbia Business School is overly competitive? No.

Do we think that it’s populated with assh*les?

Not any more than other schools – though Columbia doesn’t put a premium on not being an assh*le either, as some schools do in their app screening processes.

In the final assessment, do we think that there might be a greater ratio of assh*les at Columbia than elsewhere?

Yeah, maybe.

Though plenty of people are looking to business school as a ticket OUT of the world of finance. And plenty of others are looking to business school as a way to transition IN, when they haven’t worked in finance before. So these two populations are, to overly simplify and stereotype them, not going to have your “typical” finance attitude – the first population, presumably, because they’re trying to escape it, and the second population, presumably, because they haven’t been indoctrinated into it (yet).

None of this means that Columbia – the school and the students – is overly competitive. (Admissions? yup, you betcha it is. Not easy to get into Columbia.) Keep in mind that ANY bschool is going to have at least some of this competition thing going on – after all, the students who make it into a high-end MBA program are by definition strivers and achievers. We’re not going to accuse Columbia of being dramatically worse (or better) than most of its peers. Keep in mind the reality of who / what you’re dealing with. Most people at a top MBA program are going to be a higher caliber student than what you have been surrounded with before. Unless you went to an equally high-end college, then it’s likely you will, at bschool, be faced for the first time with a peer group who is your equal. Or better. That is, after all, what this is about, right? Improving yourself by going for the gold? You want to play in the big leagues, yeah? You should expect some competition.

As an example, the classroom environment at Harvard can be tough, based on the case method and how much you’re graded on class participation. Interested in Harvard? Wallflowers need not apply.

Other schools are certainly more well-known for collaboration and even friendliness – Duke and NYU and Ross are certainly among them. That doesn’t mean that there’s no competition at those places, but the attitude does tend to be different.

This is, again, why VISITING THE SCHOOL IS SO IMPORTANT.

Sitting in on a class, having lunch with students… That’s how you get a feel for the place. Reach out to some alumni. Meet up with people. Talk to them. Do your own research. Experience it firsthand. It is CRITICAL that you form your own opinions.

And then come back and tell us about it! We love getting reports from the road from Brave Supplicants who are out there in the wild. Have something to offer to this conversation? We’d love to hear from you. Drop your remarks in the comments section or hit us up on Twitter or send us your thoughts.

Queries from a concerned BSer: Columbia’s culture?

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To continue with the questions posed by a Brave Supplicant through our Plea for Free Help! online question-submission system:

I accordingly [after getting rejected initially] decided to dig deeper into some of the other schools especially ones that offer ED/EA to give me better odds, which leads me to my second question…. Columbia. Even before I read all the Snark CBS bashing articles, I’ve had this instinct that I may not fit in at CBS (I’n not very comfortable with cockiness and arrogance). I spoke to an alum and he thought the claims of cut-throat competition were greatly exaggerated. I think that the NYC + Ivy advantage do make it a good option for my immediate goals but a scenario where I don’t enjoy my 2 years and $200,000 investment makes me worry. What is your objective view on the CBS culture?

In case you missed the first one, you can read it here, though it’s not quite related to this query.

In response to today’s question, we hafta ask… What “Snark CBS bashing articles”?

Yes, a couple years ago we called Columbia admissions to the carpet for some seriously applicant-unfriendly policies. This was in response to a dramatic drop in apps that they suffered awhile back. At the time, we also mused about leadership and some perceived possible arrogance at the top of the food chain there as documented in the film Inside Job.

But cockiness and arrogance among the students? Where have we talked about that?

Students are (largely) who make up the culture at a business school. Sure, the school administration has a BIG impact on this, based on its policies and its marketing and where it puts the emphasis. A school like Haas which trumpets CULTURE! far and wide in its brand identity is going to be a different place than some other school that doesn’t put a focus there. This is primarily because (duh) the people attracted to these different schools are going to be different, based on the marketing and the public personas projected by each.

And guess what? Columbia really impressed us in how it reacted to (what we assume was seen as a crisis in) the drop in applications those few years ago. They even apparently were reading this little blahg and we were flattered that they reacted to a criticism that we posted and fixed it.

OK fine, we have in fact mentioned some potential issues among the Columbia student body in regards to cockiness, or lack of etiquette – but again, those posts are DATED. Did this BSer dig through the entire backlist of 100+ posts to find them?

Oh wait. “100+ posts” you say?

If we didn’t like Columbia, why would we have put so much time into writing about them so much?

For the record, we do like Columbia Business School. They fell out of favor with us ever-so-slightly based on the aforementioned admissions practices, but the admissions team has really upped its game and we think they’re back on top again (or should be/will be). There’s some other schools (which we won’t name by name right now) which are more on our sh*t list than Columbia is at the moment.

A key reason why we’ve been so critical of Columbia is because they’re so good. When you’re at the top of the totem pole, then you’re going to get more scrutiny. You have standards to maintain.

Another reason why we’ve been so verbose on all things Columbia is because their admissions policies are so very different from any other school. They deserve more of a discussion here on the blahg because we need to educate all you Brave Supplicants who are thinking about applying there.

Yet another reason why we’ve specifically done so many Columbia essay critiques here is because their admissions season opens earlier than almost any other school – and because of their rolling admissions, people are motivated to get started earlier. Thus, we get more Columbia essays submitted for the freebie review than we do for other schools.

And a final reason why we love Columbia is because so many of you love Columbia. We know more students at Columbia than probably anywhere; we’ve had lots of success in helping qualified and high-quality candidates get into Columbia Business School, and success begets success. CBS students who benefited from some snark in their process are likely to tell their friends interested in CBS to hit us up for some snark, and lo and behold, we end up with lots of Columbia interest, and content, here on the blahg.

In fact, we know that some of you Columbia students are lurking around these parts. If any of you wants to pipe up and offer some commentary in response to this question, we know that many would appreciate it. Or send us an email with your rebuttal (you know how to reach us 😉 ).

SnarkOut.