It's now 2020; EssaySnark is reconsidering our thoughts on this. We still believe a lot of the points raised in the initial post in 2014 are valid, however we now appreciate the need for systemic change in institutions like business school and access, and we have to acknowledge that Yale was early in rolling out this program. We would be so curious to know actual data from this -- how many candidates have qualified for the Yale program? Were they admitted?? It would be helpful to know this. We have put out the call for greater transparency from schools. Maybe the schools will start to respond.
UPDATE JULY 2021: YALE INCREASED THE AMOUNT OF INCOME YOU CAN EARN AND STILL QUALIFY FOR THE DISCOUNT. NEWS FLASH: IT’S STILL REALLY LOW! SEE UPDATED NUMBERS INLINE BELOW.
While we applaud the effort to make the MBA more accessible by reducing the cost of applying to bschool for some applicants, will US$50 off the fee really make that much of a difference in getting someone to apply who otherwise would not?
Yale announced this new sliding-scale app fee policy on their blog yesterday with their post about their new MBA application opening up. (Announcement saved locally on EssaySnark server here in case that link ever goes dead.) Their standard application fee is $225 for the Class of 2016 – which is already lower than some schools. For many, including Harvard and Columbia, it’s $250, and
HBS won’t even waive the fee for anyone, including active duty military. update: HBS changed this policy around 2020 and now they do offer waivers The SOM is very generously letting those with lower incomes pay less. If you’re currently making up to US$10,000 update: now US$15,000 per year, then you’ll pay $125, if you make from $10k to $20k update: now $15k to $30k you’ll pay $175. They say that the reason is to encourage applicants from developing countries where wages are lower, and also to make it easier for those who are still in school or early in their careers to apply.
OK, yes, if you’re only making $20k a year, then a $50 savings is a whopper indeed and will likely be appreciated – but c’mon. If that’s your income, then you’re going to have a hard time affording the entirety of this whole MBA application process without a lot more help than this. (Need to figure out how much your current salary is in American dollars? As a starting point, $10k is about 6 Indian lakhs.)
Applying to bschool is expensive. If you’re an American trying for Yale who makes just $20k, then you’re probably living at home and your parents are paying for your apps. How could you live in this country – even in the so-called affordable parts – and pull off everything that’s required on your own? The GMAT is $250, plus you want to do a fair number of apps… That’s adding up fast, and those app fees aren’t exactly spaced out over time.
We know that plenty of Indian applicants are in the range to qualify for this discount – but is Yale truly seeking to increase the number of Indians applying? That’s not typically a market segment that they need to encourage. They’re only going to accept so many of those apps this year. Yes, there are plenty of other geographies around the world where people aren’t making U.S. salaries, and sure, this policy will benefit them. But it’s not like people look around at the app fee to determine where to apply. Is this really going to increase the candidate pool at Yale School of Management?
Lots of people we see applying to business schools like Yale get a $20,000 BONUS each year. That’s sort of the demographic of who’s generally in this market. We appreciate the effort to change that – and this is certainly a nice gesture – but it hardly seems like it’s going to make a very big difference in who they get applying. What do you think?
Oh, and in case you’re wondering how they’re going to enforce this: They won’t. Or at least, not at the time of the app. They’re not asking anyone to submit verification of income when they apply. Instead, that verification will come in after they’ve accepted you, like it does with all other admits – you’ll go through a formal process whereby the data you entered into the app will be checked and validated by a third-party service. (We talk about this in our Accepted Student’s Guide, in case you want the details when the time comes.) If it turns out that you underreported your salary in order to get the discounted app fee, well, that won’t be looking so good for you now will it? In case anyone is tempted to get the cheaper rate by fudging the numbers on their app, we’ll caution against that right now.
So why did they do this? Well, we had heard that Yale’s app volumes went down a bit this past year. That’s not so unusual – except that most of their peers reported an increase. We hate to be JadedSnark but it appears that this announcement is just an attempt to drum up business, as it were. We’re coming to this conclusion not just from the new flexible fee policy, but even more significantly, from the fact that
the video essay has apparently been removed from this year’s application, with not even the tiniest peep about it from Bruce DelMonico. CORRECTED 4pm Eastern Thursday: Well we were SloppySnark on this one – there’s language on the first page of the Yale app that says that the video essays will be available after August 1st. We can be accused of “not reading the instructions” on this!!! Please read (or re-read) the rest of this post with this correction in mind. That’s a bit of a surprise, actually, since we believe the video adds some value to the process on the inside of the admissions office, and because Yale went down to just a single essay this year. We thought that that was because they’d be keeping the video. However, we do know that a lot of people didn’t like it (Kellogg’s video in particular was a nightmare for many based on bad technical implementation – we’ll see what their next step is in this regard). When UCLA first experimented with an audio submission to their app way back in 2009, their app volumes tanked, and the general assumption is that it was due to the audio – even though it wasn’t required. Maybe Yale fell victim to that, too. We had thought that the world had evolved such that video would work just fine in apps in the modern era, given how much everyone is YouTubeing and Vimeoing and Vining and whatever.
AGAIN, CORRECTION: THEY **ARE** KEEPING THE VIDEO QUESTIONS. Sorry about that! -ES
Anyway, yeah, we’re not seeing this Yale app fee thing as much more than a gimmick. Is it really going to get more people from other parts of the world – and from different economic stratas – applying to the SOM?
What it will do, inevitably, is get them some media attention- and oh hey, here we are, dedicating a day’s blahg post to the SOM.
Interested in applying to Yale this year? We published our first-ever SnarkStrategies Guide for the SOM recently and it will help you with the stuff that matters: that essay! It’s a fair question that gives you a real opportunity to share yourself with the admissions team. On that count, we applaud the SOM on this year’s app. And this fee reduction thing is a nice touch too, even if we’re doubtful on how much it will really make a difference.
Here's what others have said about this:
Dear Snark, I just created an account for the Yale application and it seems like the video essay is still around. On the application instructions it is mentioned that from August 1st the link for video essay would appear for anyone who has submitted their app and paid the fees.
I had a quick question – I am applying for the AI JD MBA and I am really confused about the essays. This link from the law school website gives completely different instructions than the SOM website – http://www.law.yale.edu/cbl/SOMessays.htm
Any thoughts? I would really appreciate the help 🙂
@tskeats, thanks for letting us know about the Yale video essays!! Totally missed that on the front page – gah! Very glad that you popped in to correct us on our mistake. We’ve since updated the post accordingly. As a thank-you for letting us know about this (and also for the great contributions you made to the post earlier this week on financing options for international applicants) we’ve granted you access to the Crowd-Sourced Essay Reviews forums for 3 weeks. Would be awesome to see you posting some stuff over there if you have any drafts ready!
On your Yale JD/MBA question: drat we wish you hadn’t asked that, because any question about Yale Law immediately reminds us of our long lost twin in admissions there, and so we HAD to wander over to their blog, and we then got hopelessly lost in the awesomeness of Ask Asha. Here’s a taste for anyone who might have some procrastination to do right now; it is very easy to get sucked in (tip: look for posts tagged Ask Asha, the other posts from people in admissions about food and diners and county fairs do NOT belong on a grad school admissions blog, they just don’t).
Oh but as to your question:
Our best guess is that that page is talking about LAST YEAR’S SOM APP and they just haven’t updated it for this year. You should contact the school to confirm.
Awwww, thanks Dear Snark 🙂 You are awesome! I have just made a start with the essays but I would love to post them as soon as I have a decent draft done…
Thanks for the suggestion – I will email the schools about it. I will let you know what I hear back from them!
P.S. – I love the Ask Asha posts too!! 🙂